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PostSubject: Skymin?   Sat Feb 07, 2009 8:52 pm


shaymin sky
so it has 127 speed, faster than weavile
seed flare has an 80% chance of lowering special defense by 2 stages, which after 2 stages down, not even a unresisting special wall could take repeated stabbed hits from it.
air slash has 60% chance of flinching
and, just saying, it has a sleeping move, low accuracy, but still
so you go bulky, sub for the ice shards, flare/flinch to death
the only thing stopping you is priority moves or a scarftran and low pp/acc
although dragonite might be able to survive a flinch and ohko back
it’s a late game sweeper, if you’re unprepared, you lose
do you think its uber? or not?
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PostSubject: Re: Skymin?   Sat Feb 07, 2009 11:20 pm

I think its speed and special attack, along with its ability and seed flare, will probably put it on the uber list. A STAB base 120 move that will the foes sp.def by 2 stages means that even Blissey isn't safe against it! On the other hand, its average defences and 4 x ice weakness is going to be its downfall... I wonder when we will find out what tier it makes...
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PostSubject: Re: Skymin?   Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:24 am

The fact that it has unique speed tier (not to mention high as!!), 80% -2 SpD drop and SpA will force it into the ubers. Also a fast subseed, the variety of its movesets will make it uber imo.
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PostSubject: Re: Skymin?   Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:53 am

but it has semi low accuracy on all of its important moves (except earthpower), and all of its moves have low pp so missing in with pressure out (weavile probably) is really bad
it could use a wide lens, and then loses leftovers recovery and sub will hurt it even more, without sub, you lose to scarftran
your hp has to be max to make 101 subs otherwise blissey can be a problem, if you do that you lose spattk/speed EVs, synthesis might work but sanstorm is everywhere, and it has low pp as well
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PostSubject: Re: Skymin?   Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:24 pm

85% isnt that low, and after -2 SpD, seed flare will do quite a lot on blissey. and blissey cant do anything back unless it has ice beam or TWave, but then it risks letting Skymin setting up a free sub if it TWaves. Not every team has a scarftran and not every team should be forced to have Heatran just to counter skymin.
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PostSubject: Re: Skymin?   Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:05 pm

i dont feel safe with 85% on a pokemon 4x weak to the way too common ice beam when i can have 93% instead, and air slash 100%, also grasswhistle would have 60.5% which is better than hypnosis. i guess you could say its one of those things like 'wish/protect vs softboiled' or 'rock slide vs stone edge'

scizor has become the most used pokemon, scarftran is way too useful as a counter, it can stop a scizor from everywhere, it only fears a superpower on the switch in. it can revenge kill almost anything, even more reason to have a heatran if skymin is in the same tier. if heatran comes in, you switch out, plus you take 25% stealth rock damage, even harder to make a good sub.

but im sure there are other counters, crobat sounds good. sturdy, cant be flinched, and 4x resist grass, and its faster.
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PostSubject: Re: Skymin?   Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:45 pm

Its just that not many pokemon can switch into skymin safely even if it resists Seed Flare, since it has a high chance of -2 SpD, making the next attack possible KO. And Skymin could always have HP Ice or something for flyers. So the only way for it to die is for a scarfer. But if skymin has this moveset

Seed Flare
Earth Power
HP Ice
Substitute

then the scarfer is going to die to one of those attacks too.
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PostSubject: Re: Skymin?   Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:19 am

still i battled some shaymins it was quite hard.......that seed flares gatta sting
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PostSubject: Re: Skymin?   Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:04 pm

Revenge killing is really easy, but yeah, countering is harder. Nothing can take a hit after the stage drop, and Shaymins's movepool lets it have amazing coverage. If it's behind a sub, it's almost impossible to take down.

However, Scarftran can outspeed anything that isnt Ninjask, it switches in to Seed Flare and takes 20% damage max and OHKOs back. Registeel can take a hit with Clear Body, and can take Earth Power, which doesnt 2HKO, leaving you to try to flinch him to death, which is hopeless. Brave Bird Crobat can OHKO, Crobat only fears Psychic on the switch, its only 2HKOed by HP Ice, which is even harder to get since you can't breed Shaymin. Zapdos might be useful resisting Shaymin's moves, and Pressure stalling/switching. Countering doesn't seem that hard if there isn't a sub.
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