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PostSubject: Recent Smogon Tier Changes   Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:40 am

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July is with us again, and with it comes the third OU update of the year.

There aren't too many surprises this time around. One Pokemon enters the list, while two exit it. This brings the OU list size down from 50 to 49.

Say hello to the new entry, Umbreon:


Well, I'm not too much of a sprite person, but you'll have to be content with the above, heh.

And bid farewell to Donphan and Dugtrio:


This means, for the UU people out there, that Umbreon is banned from UU play, while Donphan and Dugtrio are allowed in UU, unless they become suspects. The required changes in the UU ladder will probably happen once the current UU testing is finished, however.

I think it's interesting that Umbreon is OU, since many of the top OU threats learn fighting moves, like Superpower and Close Combat.
Not too suprised about Donphan and Dugtrio though, don't see them at all anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: Recent Smogon Tier Changes   Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:32 am

Umbreon is an awesome pokemon, but there are just toooo many threats looming around every corner. Infernape, Breloom, Anything with Superpower. >.<

But just based on Umbreon's stats and movepool, it deserves an OU spot.

Not too surprised about Dugtrio and Donphan. You never see them.. Except when you battle Gab, lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Recent Smogon Tier Changes   Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:33 am

or chris's ground team soccerryle......

and WHOOO 2 new UUs
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PostSubject: Re: Recent Smogon Tier Changes   Mon Jul 06, 2009 11:16 am

I beg to differ I always see Dugtrio and it is a royal pain in the butt.

Still, I think smogon is crap anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Recent Smogon Tier Changes   Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:19 pm

Well seeing as most competitively competent battlers follow smogon rules, it must mean something.
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PostSubject: Re: Recent Smogon Tier Changes   Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:46 pm

True that =/
I don't really think much about tiers when I train Pokes tho, so I don't really mind about the changes.
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PostSubject: Re: Recent Smogon Tier Changes   Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:40 pm

Boy, it looks like you beat ixion with the news again! XD

Umbreon doesn't surprise me too much. I think it deserves an OU spot. Its an awesome dark type pokemon with decent stats and movepool.

Dugtrio does surprise me though... I sometimes use dugtrio in my ground team and its speed, ability and decent-ish attack power helps a lot! I think it deserves OU but since its now UU I'm not going to complain! I will have to see how it does against other pokemon in the UU tier... XD

I think Donphan deserved OU because of its okay movepool and the fact that it makes a good spinner (as well as being able to set up its own entry hazard). However, recently I have seen its popularity decline... I haven't battled a Donphan in ages! It's a shame its now UU though with its decent HP, atk and def stats... Having said that, its speed and sp.def lets it down...
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PostSubject: Re: Recent Smogon Tier Changes   Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:46 pm

I lOve you Umbreon :]] I never really cared about Donphan and Dugtrio that much..
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PostSubject: Re: Recent Smogon Tier Changes   Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:59 am

There are also some UU and NU changes but those seem moot since we mostly OU battle here.

New UU:
Donphan Dugtrio Tangrowth

New NU:
Gardevoir, Muk, Ninetales, Poliwrath, Primeape
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PostSubject: Re: Recent Smogon Tier Changes   Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:33 am

NU is such a stupid tier, Smogon make tiers based on how much a Pokemon is used and here's a tier for Pokemon that are apprantly never used.
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PostSubject: Re: Recent Smogon Tier Changes   Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:29 am

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NU is such a stupid tier, Smogon make tiers based on how much a Pokemon is used and here's a tier for Pokemon that are apprantly never used.
I agree with you... Tier's should be based to an extent on how well a pokemon does in battle and not purely its popularity. The NU tier can't even be called a tier... There are so many pokemon there that could dominate NU if there were ever NU tourneys and NU battles... I still think some of the NU and UU pokemon deserve at least BL based on movepool and stats...
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PostSubject: Re: Recent Smogon Tier Changes   Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:13 pm

Smogon Tiers are based on usage because the Pokemon that perform well whether to sweep, wall or support are likely to be used more. Therefore usage and how well a Pokemon performs are directly related, so in my opinion, it works.

A Pokemon as specific as say, Electrode, who is solely used as a suicide lead to set up Rain Dance on some Rain Dance teams is very good at performing it's job, but does this mean it should shoot up straight to OU? No.
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PostSubject: Re: Recent Smogon Tier Changes   Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:42 am

i like my dugtrio, he has three heads
rhyperior should have left OU, no one likes him

but oh well, umbreon is easy to taunt, easy to switch in on, and you can set up on him too, this will be more fun
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PostSubject: Re: Recent Smogon Tier Changes   Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:20 pm

I don't even understand tiers that much. I think it is pointless except for the Uber group. To me all Pokemon are the same except for the Ubers and I don't care if it is OU, NN, BL, UU, or whatever. I don't get why this is such a big deal. People can use different strategies to make their pokemon a wall, sweeper or whatever..I think I have made my point clear now.
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PostSubject: Re: Recent Smogon Tier Changes   Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:22 pm

There are some OU Pokemon that people abuse overly too though. The fact is not all Pokemon are equal. Like if I am using mainly UU's, it's not fun for me to face BP Scizor, Electivire, Gyarados, Salamence, Metagross and Alakazam say.
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