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PostSubject: Return of The Ice Throne.. You Will Get Frostbite   Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:33 pm

Most of the Standard Clauses apply as they should be used in most battles on this forum (read General Gym Rules for details).

1) All battles will be 6 v 6 and LV100 Doubles Only..

2) No more than 2 fire, rock, steel, and fighting. You can have any WEATHER EFFECT ON.. but YOU MUST NOT HAVE MORE THEN 2 OF MY WEAKNESS..

3) No ubers or hacked pokemon allowed at all.

4) Sleep clause applies - No two pokemon should be asleep in a team at the same time (excludes self induced sleep).

5) OHKO clause applies - OHKO moves like Fissure, Horn Drill etc. should not be used as it makes the battle about luck.

6) Self KO Clause applies - Basically, if you and I are on our last pokemon do not use moves like Explosion to induce a draw. In the event of ignorance, I win.

7)Battles are held at my convenience and if you are defeated you must wait at least 24 hours before a rematch. In the event of disconnection, I win. If disconnection was accidental, we will battle again immediately. I wi2 by default.



Winners: L..

Losers:




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PostSubject: Re: Return of The Ice Throne.. You Will Get Frostbite   Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:51 pm

Grats on water gym, by the way i think you made a typo in your second rule

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2) Please, no more than 2 types strong against bugs.

I think you mean water. Good luck with the gym
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PostSubject: Re: Return of The Ice Throne.. You Will Get Frostbite   Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:53 am

I think he must have copied my rules xD
Congrats btw, and nice battle. The Weather effect rule is stupid though, if you don't want weather effects, there should be no weather effects at all =/
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PostSubject: Re: Return of The Ice Throne.. You Will Get Frostbite   Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:27 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Return of The Ice Throne.. You Will Get Frostbite   Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:15 am

Rayquaza wrote:
Remember to put a winners list.

I KNOW =p
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PostSubject: Re: Return of The Ice Throne.. You Will Get Frostbite   Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:54 am

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The Weather effect rule is stupid though, if you don't want weather effects, there should be no weather effects at all =/

I agree with Mercury...

Alpine, can you decide whether or not you are allowing weather effects? I know that Rain Dance, Sunny Day and Tyranitar ruin your Abomasnow's endless Hail storm but it's unfair for you to have that rule...

To make it fair on challengers, and so that the rules apply to both you and your challengers, please either remove that clause completely or state there that neither side, Gym Leader or Challenger, shall use ANY weather effects AT ALL. Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Return of The Ice Throne.. You Will Get Frostbite   Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:19 pm

I disagree with you Merc and Chris, it's his gym, and like in the show, it is the Gym Leader that makes the rules. So having that rule should be within all boundaries.
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PostSubject: Re: Return of The Ice Throne.. You Will Get Frostbite   Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:59 pm

i think that this rule is the same as a elite 4 or gym leader using a filler pokemon. if this gym is allowed to ban those pokes from his gym whats to stop other leaders from making the same kind of rule. and unlike the show when a trainer sends out a tyranitar there is no sand storm so we cant really take examples from the show.
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PostSubject: Re: Return of The Ice Throne.. You Will Get Frostbite   Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:08 pm

It's not the example darkjedi, it's the concept. Anime Gym Leaders make their own rules to whatever they please. So should we (by we i mean gym leaders).
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PostSubject: Re: Return of The Ice Throne.. You Will Get Frostbite   Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:20 pm

great, so what happens if this gym leader also decides no items on pokes and no fighting, fire, steel, or rock type pokemon allowed on a team.if they are alllowed to make thier own rules this is what we will have.
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PostSubject: Re: Return of The Ice Throne.. You Will Get Frostbite   Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:40 pm

The weather rule saying only rain dance allowed isnt fair. So your not allowed to have weather but the leader can have rain dance to their advantage? And boy so your saying you can make rules that keep giving adavntages to the leaders in the battle?
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PostSubject: Re: Return of The Ice Throne.. You Will Get Frostbite   Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:36 am

Yes. Your gym, your rules. There will be boundaries though. Having no weather except hail isn't exactly game breaking.
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PostSubject: Re: Return of The Ice Throne.. You Will Get Frostbite   Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:52 am

Right... Firstly, thank you all for your discussions on the matter but my topic was directed at Alpine to consider whether to remove the rule completely or to include a rule banning ALL weather effects from both the challenger and himself. My post should not have sparked off a discussion on the matter.

Having the weather rule which applies to only the challenger is both bias and unfair. We all know the advantages that Ice type pokemon get in the hail: (1) They don't take damage, (2) Some of their abilities allow healing HP in hail and (3) Some Ice pokemon get a 25% boost in evasiveness. This creates a disadvantage for the challenger, and may limit their own combinations in battle (some combinations rely on the weather, i.e. Sunny Day/Synthesis). Therefore, not having the chance to change the weather from Abomasnow's endless hail storm is unfair.

In addition, banning certain pokemon from battling within your gym is bias. We have a General Rule stating that no Ubers are alloowed in Gym Battles. To keep your rules in line with the General Gym Rules you cannot ban Tyranitar. It is not uber and should be allowed in Gym battles. Going back to Boy's point on the Anime, you don't get Gym Leaders in the anime banning certain moves and banning certain pokemon from battling do you?!

If Alpine wishes to keep hail active on the field at all times, it is up to him to stick the move, Hail, on a few more of his pokemon. The challenger should not have to adhere to a rule (which applies only to them and not the Gym Leader) disallowing the use of weather effect moves and banning particular pokemon.

And so, Alpine should decide whether:

(1) to ban ALL weather moves on both sides (including banning Abomasnow and Tyranitar on BOTH the challenger's side and the Gym Leader's side); or
(2) to delete the bias and unfair weather clause completely (allowing both challenger AND Gym Leader to use weather effects as they wish placing no disadvantage on either side)

There is no negotiations. One option MUST be chosen. In addition, there should be no more discussion on the matter in this topic. Any discussions relating to weather (and other) clauses should be PMd to me. Thanks.

To anyone who disagrees with me: If we were to allow the weather clause here in Alpine's Gym, we may as well be allowing Gym Leaders to use Ubers and preventing the challengers from using them! Or, we may as well be banning challengers from using status, recovery or stat boosting moves whilst allowing the Gym Leader to use them...

Although Gym Leaders are allowed to make additions to their rules, there has to be boundaries to these additional rules. Placing such disadvantages on challengers and unfairly banning the challenger from using certain moves/pokemon exceeds these boundaries. The boundary, in this situation, rests with the 2 aforementioned options which I have placed down for Alpine to choose from.
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PostSubject: Re: Return of The Ice Throne.. You Will Get Frostbite   Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:16 pm

wow all this for one rule? haha ok
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PostSubject: Re: Return of The Ice Throne.. You Will Get Frostbite   Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:38 am

Alpine, thanks for removing the rule! Smile

Good luck with your Gym! I hope you win most of your battles.
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PostSubject: Re: Return of The Ice Throne.. You Will Get Frostbite   Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:43 pm

can i challenge u
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PostSubject: Re: Return of The Ice Throne.. You Will Get Frostbite   Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:55 pm

Alpine will be less active so he told me to take him off.
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