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PostSubject: Re: So you want to be a Gym Leader   Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:11 pm

I would literally change to dual fairy and she would be the only fairy I'd use because all the others are shit.
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to be a Gym Leader   Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:21 pm

lol at clefable trying to be ou. the florges/sylveon fever died a while ago. Surpluff has potential...in the lower tiers. mega gardevoir is meh. (whats a dedenne?) only other ones worth mentioning are togekiss and azumaril but both are nailed by t-bolt which doesnt work out for your dual water. too bad lol

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PostSubject: Re: So you want to be a Gym Leader   Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:48 pm

Surpluff- #FEARTHECUTEMON

His stats are : 82 HP / 80 Atk / 86 Def / 85 SpA / 75 SpD / 72 Spe

This thing looks like a piece of shit if you look at its stats. But theres a really cool set that some guy submitted to smogon not so long ago.

Slurpuff (M) @ Sitrus Berry/ Weakness Policy
Trait: Unburden
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Substitute/ Return /Flamethrower
- Belly Drum
- Play Rough
- Thief

Basically you set up a Belly Drum, activating your sitrus berry AND thanks to unburden you now have double speed along with +6. However this is the only effective set for this mon so its very predictable. This set almost fucked me over, thank god, #notgettingrapedbyshitmontoday
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to be a Gym Leader   Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:00 pm

I heard of a similar slurpuff set that uses that new berry. think its called a kee berry that raises it def after getting hit by any physical attack. so they would switch in to a rapid spin and use cotton guard which makes their def at +4 with the undurden boost with wish for recovery. even +1 genesect cant 2hko it at +4.

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PostSubject: Re: So you want to be a Gym Leader   Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:28 pm

Thats a horrible set for a wall, for 2 reasons.

1. One of the tasks of a wall is to prevent your opponent from setting up on you. Most set up sweepers can set up on this thing easily. 2. You literally have to switch into a shitty attack like rapid spin or tackle to activate your berry in order to become a shitty wall, which is very, very, very situation. Not to mention that if they roars you out, you'll be coming back in as a mon no better than pikachu.

As for the belly set, it was good in the beginning, but now everyone knows what this fucker wanna do, so its back to being a shitmon.
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to be a Gym Leader   Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:20 pm

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Slurpuff (M) @ Sitrus Berry/ Weakness Policy
Trait: Unburden
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Substitute/ Return /Flamethrower
- Belly Drum
- Play Rough
- Thief

A few things I disagree with you on here, Chomper.

First issue I see is the 4 SDef. I'd put the 4 EVs into HP, instead, to make the HP an even number to ensure the Sitrus Berry will always activate after Belly Drum is used.

Personally I wouldn't bother with 252 speed. I'd go with 180, personally. Gives you 450 speed with the unburden boost(at lv 100) which is enough to outspeed any neutral speed nature with base 100 speed and a choice scarf(ie an Adamant Flygon or Modest Typhlosion).

Finally I'd go with a Naughty Nature(or Lonely could work) if you plan to run Flamethrower to deal with Steel-types. I'd also throw the left over 72 EVs(after lowering the speed to 180 EVs).

So this is the set after my recomended changes.

Slurpuff @ Sitrus Berry
Trait: Unburden
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 72 SAtk / 180 Spd
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Flamethrower
- Belly Drum
- Play Rough
- Thief
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to be a Gym Leader   Sat Mar 01, 2014 11:39 am

I'd go a bit faster than 180 because typhlo would much rather be timid since it hit hard enough anyway and because that 100 base speed is not as good as it used to be. So try making it just fast enough to outspeed positive 100's instead.

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PostSubject: Re: So you want to be a Gym Leader   Sat Mar 01, 2014 1:11 pm

Ito le Typhlito wrote:
I'd go a bit faster than 180 because typhlo would much rather be timid since it hit hard enough anyway and because that 100 base speed is not as good as it used to be. So try making it just fast enough to outspeed positive 100's instead.

Can't do that with a +Att nature, if my math is correct.
I believe Timid + Scarf Typho = 492 speed.
252 Speed Slurpuff + Naughty Nature + Unburden = 486 speed.

So if the Typhlosion is an issue you'd have to go with a +Speed nature. 176 on a +Speed nature = speed tie. 180 to flat out outspeed. Actually...maybe 196 speed with a +Speed nature. Lets you outspeed a Scarf'd Jolly Garchomp, for what that's worth. Scarf Chomp can't OHKO Slurpuff at 75% anywho(after a Belly Drum + Sitrus Berry) so it might be pointless...but just throwing some numbers out there.
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to be a Gym Leader   Sat Mar 01, 2014 1:41 pm

I see. But think your safe against typhlo because altho they like being timid, they also like going specs instead of scarf for the raw power added to eruption and still being just fast enough to outspeed. With genesect being uber again, you dont have to worry about him. What Im wondering is if its strong enough to beat bulky excdrill with a +6 theif.

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PostSubject: Re: So you want to be a Gym Leader   Sat Mar 01, 2014 2:02 pm

Ito le Typhlito wrote:
I see. But think your safe against typhlo because altho they like being timid, they also like going specs instead of scarf for the raw power added to eruption and still being just fast enough to outspeed. With genesect being uber again, you dont have to worry about him. What Im wondering is if its strong enough to beat bulky excdrill with a +6 theif.

Play Rough is the better option, if my math is correct.
+Speed Nature with +6 Attack and 252 Attack EVs vs Excadrill.
Thief: 78 - 92%
Play Rough: 88 - 104%
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to be a Gym Leader   Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:00 pm

ehh still not a likely ohko. So its probably best to use puffdaddy lategame when everyone is worn down

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